This episode of Safe Space Radio features a conversation with public defender Michael Lepie about his work with indigent clients, and why he considers criminal defense to be a civil rights issue. He discusses how he tries to seek outcomes for his clients which won’t completely derail their lives, and the obstacles within the legal system that often make this difficult. He also discusses the challenges of defending those with mental illnesses, and which aspects of the criminal justice system he thinks are most in need of reform.